Honors Comp 1 (10:30-11:30 a.m.): Socratic Circle



For today's first socratic circle we will be breaking into two groups: the first will be our "fishbowl," leading a group discussion about an article from the December 2014 issue of The Atlantic, "How Strict Is too Strict?"; the second will be our audience, observing how discussion is going and how they feel about points brought up in the conversation.

After twenty minutes, we will switch roles, and group 2 will have their own discussion on an important article from the November issue of The Atlantic, "Why do Teens Sext?" while group 1 live comments (see instructions below).

Instructions: 
Audience members: in the comments section of this post, make thoughtful observations about the conversation taking place in the "fishbowl."  Good observations will do the following:
  1. Identify when you agree/disagree with observations and specifically state why (ASRApt Specific Reference).  
  2. Observe what specific group members did that helped to 
    1. "propel" conversation forward, 
    2. respond to their group members, 
    3. and provide thoughtful observations.

Fishbowl members: students who do well in the "fishbowl" will do the following:

  1. Come to discussion prepared, having read and researched materials beforehand.
  2. Work with peers to promote a civil, democratic discussion, set clear goals, and establish individual roles. 
  3. Propel conversations forward by posing and asking questions that probe reasoning and ask for evidence. 
  4. Respond thoughtful to diverse perspectives, synthesize (combine) comments, claims, and evidence, resolve contradictions, and investigate meaning. 

Comments

  1. Katherine leads that conversation but then focus switches to Ethan.

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  2. They start by giving individual opinions of the article before jumping right in

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  3. The initial ice breaker of this socratic circle came from Ethan, who suggested that the group discuss the rhetoric of the article.

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  4. Katherine decided to lead the discussion by asking what everyone's level one questions, which was good on her part

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  5. Ethan explains that he thought there was not that much effective rhetoric and he explains why he thinks that way.

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  6. They state their individual opinions and expand on them to begin.

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  7. Sam connects Katherine's argument to her own to expand the discussion

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  8. Sam's describing the structure of the article

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  9. Katherine provides more detail in her answers.
    Speakers are using many examples, not very clear about what they are discussing.

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  10. Lif promotes the democratic structure of the circle

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  11. Lif noticed a gap in the conversation after Samantha stated her ideas so he asked a question to begin conversation again

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  12. Ethan quotes directly from the article

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  13. Ethan references an exact quote in the article to prove his point.

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  14. Ethan uses examples both in and out of the text in order to demonstrate his point.

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  15. Ethan provides evidence on his opinion, which allows for more conversation, and maybe some civil argument

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    1. Katherine then replies, with a clarification on Ethan's comment to promote understanding for others

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  16. Katherine brings in a more abstract idea to what Ethan was saying.

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  17. Ethan is pointing out flaws in the argument from the piece and how the article makes assumptions from limited information about how to fix a problem

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  18. Katherine, Ethan, Lif, and Sam answer each others opinions, keeping the flow of the conversation.

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  19. Ethan seems to be leading the conversation to allow for more discussion and interaction.

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  20. Ethan brings up his "slippery slope" theory to propel the conversation forward. He reads an excerpt from the article. The conversation leaves the subject of the article and opens up to a broader scope of the behaiviors of people around the world.

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  21. The group members promote "off topic" conversation that still relates to is being discussed.

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  22. Katherine brings up a question she had will reading the article. Emilie brings up her thoughts about the question, specifically references a section in the article.

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  23. Katherine cites information about the article to bring up more conversation, about what others think about that information.

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  24. Ethan continues to quote the article to lead into more conversation and questions.

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  25. Ethan again brings up a flaw in the article to propel the conversation, by seeing if people agree or not.

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  26. Samantha brings up the fact that the direct quotes in the article may be considered ethos and explains why that might be.

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  27. Ethan recognizes both sides of the argument, propelling the argument.

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  28. Lif is making up an example to illustrate his point

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  29. Lif explores the topic of rich vs. poor using an analogy involving group members.

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  30. Samantha brings up a civil argument by agreeing with what Lif said but also stating her opinion

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  31. Samantha disagrees with Lif's interpretation of the article, but is civil about it.

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  32. I agree with Sam when she said she wanted to know why some of the school rules exist, as some of the rules such as "no shoulders shown" in the dress code are strange.

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  33. Sam raises a question based of Ethan's argument.

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  34. Ethan often gives his opinion on other member's statements, propelling and taking the lead of the conversation.

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  35. Ethan points out what section of the article he is referencing, allowing everyone else to follow along

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  36. Ethan directly references a page so the others in the circle can read it a see how they feel about what he is citing

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  37. Ethan quotes the article to illustrate his point and allow everyone to follow.

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  38. Samantha brings up an example in her life and ties it into the topic of the article.

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  39. Sam uses her own experience to help explain her views on the topic.

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  40. Samantha uses personal experience to explain an argument

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  41. Sam relates the article to her own life to strengthen her argument.

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  42. Ethan poses questions in order to hear different opinions from the members and continue the conversation.

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  43. Sam brings Taylor into the conversation

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  44. Samantha decides to bring Taylor in to the conversation by asking her what she thinks about the article.

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  45. Sam poses a question towards Taylor in order to incorporate each member into the group.

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  46. Samantha encourages a group member to talk who hasn't talked much

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  47. Taylor tells the group what she thinks about the article and how she disagrees with it.

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  48. Sam brings Taylor into the discussion to involve all group members.

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  49. Emily gives an example supporting what Taylor has said.

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  50. Samantha asks Ethan a clarifying question, which allows others to come in and answer the question.

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  51. Ethan asks the group a question, again propelling the conversation. Sam answers this question, recognizing both sides of the argument.

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  52. Sam points out the butterfly effect of education—it has effects on the economy and many other areas.

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  53. The group is summarizing the article: Why do teens sext?

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  54. Mari thinks of the article as how vs. why

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  55. The group discusses how the article is presented and how it is more informative than rhetorical/persuasive.

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  56. Ashlynne and Mari are explaining the basic idea of the article.

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  57. Ash believes in peer pressure: guy is awesome if he gets pics of girls

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  58. Discussing the scenario described in the article, how authorities considered sexting a crime

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  59. Debating what the people in the article must have thought.

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  60. It doesn't seem like anyone researched more

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  61. Hannah brings up that it is more informational and targeted toward parents of high school students

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  62. Article was meant to inform about both sides of the argument.

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  63. Hannah is identifying the audience as well as the purpose

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  64. The conversation does not transition smoothly. Instead of letting others complete their thoughts, they but in and interrupt. This causes people to overlap and the conversation splits and falls apart.

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  65. Ashlynne gave examples of how sexting was dealt with in her old school.

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  66. Ashlynne is giving a personal experience to ask a question

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  67. Ash points out personal experience. That's a good solution.
    Mari points out that it might not be the best solution.

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  68. Ashlynne brings up how teen girls don't think of it as a crime when they are sending it

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  69. Punishment for sexting can lead to more embarassment. If the principal sees the pic for instance.

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  70. One problem is that one or two students are participating too much, not allowing others to voice their opinion.

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  71. There's no/less body shame in the guys

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  72. Ben says that the pictures are technically child pornography, even if unintentional

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  73. Ben talks about the real issue in the article- teens "self-producing" child pornography by sending nude photos.

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  74. Ashlynne and Mari have a back-and-forth about the possible sexist undertones of the article

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  75. Hannah is questioning the origin of sexting.

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  76. Rudy brings up his idea that this originated from adults and teens learned about it, and how teens are exposed to things earlier because of technology

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  77. I really like Hannah's pint of where does this stem from? It's thought provoking.
    Learning things earlier...That can rabbit hole really quickly.

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  78. Rudy references another article to make a point

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  79. Rudy speculates the root of the sexting problem- pornography with adults and children learning about things at younger ages.

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  80. Mari is wondering about the legality of certain instagram profiles.

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  81. Mari brings up that the pictures were on a private Instagram page

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  82. The article didn't say private vs public?
    Nvm. They had to send one in to get access.

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  83. Ash is using a connection from another story.

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  84. It's a community thing at this school.
    Also holy cow. Amanda Todd.
    Is the social stigma there as much when it's the majority of the school?

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  85. Rudy says that he thinks the article should have talked more about the boy's aspect of the situation, and how the boys pressure girls to take these pictures and spread them around

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  86. Ash gives an example of nude photos being used against someone to exploit them.

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  87. As Rudy notes, the article topic is very one sided. It discusses how the girls send images and videos and boys bully, but it does not cover the other side.

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  88. Hannah notices that girls get made fun of if they don't sext, but then they get bullied when they do.

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  89. Hannah talks about the double standard, where girls who don't send nudes are ridiculed, but those who do are also ridiculed.

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  90. The group agrees that the article is heavy on pathos because of how surprising and shocking it is.

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  91. I really like what Hannah and Ash are bringing to the table.
    Bringing up personal experiences with this is a really good thing to do.
    "It was normal there"

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  92. Thomasina points out a personal experience but doesn't really make a point with it

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  93. Ash brings Thomasina into the conversation by asking what she would have done in this situation

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  94. Rudy is using a personal connection about his school and how other kids kind've sexted

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  95. They refer to their own experiences and compare it to the situation described within the article.

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  96. "It was kind of like trading cards"

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  97. Ash compares boys asking girls for these pictures as almost a game for them, seeing who will send them one

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  98. Ash, Rudy, and Mari think that the whole sexting thing is treated like a game by the perpatrators

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  99. Ben begins the discussion of the different level questions

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  100. Ben seg ways and asks the group to talk about their questions.

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  101. Annie changes the subject briefly to the topic of terminology

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  102. The group talks about their level 2 and 3 questions.

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  103. Ben makes sure to keep an eye on time and purposely switch to asking the questions.

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  104. Ash asks about how the standards of modesty have changed throughout generations

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  105. Mari points out that a lot of teens are more focused on the physical aspects of a relationship than the emotional ones

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  106. Hannah wonders if sexting will either devolve or if it will be stopped. Ash believes that it will not really go away. It is basically texting.

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  107. That would honest be great. There might come a day where a picture can lose its humiliation factor all together. Most of the group didn't seem to like that idea though.
    The pressure factor is interesting. "You know I love you right?"
    I love Hannah's question about the future.

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  108. Annie talks about how "strict parents make sneaky teens"

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  109. Annie notes that one of the themes is that strict parents equal more rebellious teens.

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  110. Annie brings up the topic of the parent's view, specifically strict parents and how they have sneakier teens.

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  111. Hannah brings her own personal experiences into the conversation.

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