V for Vendetta: Socratic Seminar on "Book 1" and "Book 2"

Instructions: 
Audience members: in the comments section of this post, make thoughtful observations about the conversation taking place in the "fishbowl."  Good observations will do the following:
  1. Identify when you agree/disagree with observations and specifically state why (ASRApt Specific Reference).  
  2. Observe what specific group members did that helped to 
    1. "propel" conversation forward, 
    2. respond to their group members, 
    3. and provide thoughtful observations.

Fishbowl members: students who do well in the "fishbowl" will do the following:

  1. Come to discussion prepared, having read and researched materials beforehand.
  2. Work with peers to promote a civil, democratic discussion, set clear goals, and establish individual roles. 
  3. Propel conversations forward by posing and asking questions that probe reasoning and ask for evidence. 
  4. Respond thoughtful to diverse perspectives, synthesize (combine) comments, claims, and evidence, resolve contradictions, and investigate meaning. 

Comments

  1. Katherine starts right off by asking a question.

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  2. Ashlynne starts off the circle with a comment about the very first chapter of the story.

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  3. The inner circle starts right at the start of the book, which I think is the best way to start off the conversation.

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  4. Katherine talks about differences in the book and movie

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  5. Ashlynne shares her opinion on why Evey helps V with his revenge. Hannah adds with more detail.

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  6. Hannah gives good insight on Evey which clarifies parts of the book

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  7. Thomasina expands upon Hannah's discussion

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  8. In the beginning, they ask about making connections to the movie. Some of the members have not seen the movie so they prevent from discussing it.

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  9. The circle talks about how Evey craves a father figure

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  10. Katherine keeps bringing up the movie

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  11. Thomasina examines the psychology of Evey and how the trauma she's been exposed to accounts for her actions.

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  12. Hannah brings the circle back into focus for everyone

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  13. Hannah removes the conversation from the movie

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  14. Hannah brings the topic back to the book after a few distractions.

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  15. Katherine connects back to Brave New World

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  16. Katherine connects V to Brave New World because of the enslavement through happiness

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  17. Ashlynne shares why she thinks V acts the way he does.

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  18. The torture is really interesting. It's being talked about. I like some of the pints they're bringing up. Is it brainwashing?

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  19. Katherine brings it back to the movie

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  20. Katherine asks a question to build on the conversation

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  21. Katherine acts what the group thinks about Rosemary.

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  22. Is Rose supposed to be a foil for Eve?

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  23. The group discusses the torture scenes, making points on the ideas and concepts behind it. Trying to identify reasons as to why V did it and how it will strengthen Eve.

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  24. Thomasina disagrees with the group to share her opinion, which Ash supports

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  25. Hannah asks Taylor what she took from the story. Taylor talks about the art style and what she thinks of it.

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  26. Hannah asks an open ended question that can improve the conversation

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  27. Taylor talks about the art style of the book

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  28. The conversation moves toward the art style of the book

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  29. They move on and discuss the artwork of the book, discussing how it fortifies and adds to the piece.

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  30. I'm enjoying the conversation about art style, because it is a comic book and art is a huge part.

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  31. Hannah talks about how the past scenes have brighter colors, which may mean happiness

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  32. The group discusses how the medium of the book affects tone

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  33. Ash moves the discussion to prediction

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  34. Ashlynne asks for the groups predictions for the next book.

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  35. Ashlynne talks about the state of the social hierarchy in London.

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  36. Many people agree that it is difficult to tell who is talking and who is who in the story.

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  37. Group speaks of how the writing/art style affected their reading

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  38. Rudy believes that the pictures are important.

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  39. Emilie begins the conversation with discussing the format

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  40. Rudy counters Mari's comment by explaining his method of reading the book

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  41. The group discusses how the graphic novel format affected their comprehension.

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  42. I find it interesting how they are discussing how useful the words were vs the pictures. I also like Annie's point about how similar the officials all looked

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  43. Mari moves the discussion to characters

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  44. Mari changes conversation to comparison of how characters reacted to death

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  45. Mari shifts the conversation to V's victims from Larkhill, and compares them to the one who was V's last victim who felt so guilty she did not feel bad about dying.

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  46. Mari brings the conversation more to characters and the plot, specifically Delia's role

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  47. Mari moves to the actual content of the novel, specifically the characters and their emotions.

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  48. Ben and Rudy speak of how one character's life was affected through her experience at the camp

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  49. Mari mentions how V recites verses while killing his victims

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  50. Sam thinks that maybe since the doctor did not get a more powerful job, she was able to reflect on her actions.
    The group talks about how V killed her in a less violent way than the others.

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  51. I like how they are discussing the bond between V and Delia, the scientist lady. Leif's comment on the ugly vs. beautiful is very interesting

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  52. Lif mentions how one character's view changed towards V

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  53. Annie shifts the conversation more towards parallels

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  54. The group discusses the doctor and V's killings, and the way he kills them in relation to their relationships with V

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  55. The doctor and V had a closer relationship because the doctor studied him so much.
    Lif comments on how at first she called V's face ugly, but when she was about to die, she said his face was beautiful. The group discusses what this means.

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  56. Annie notices parallels between the victims' deaths and what they had previously done to V

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  57. Everyone is drawing the parallels between the ways V's victims died and how they tortured V.

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  58. The group believes that Valerie is very important to V.

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  59. The topic switches to V's use of roses and the character Valerie, and why V clings to the story of Valerie and the roses

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  60. I like Rudy and Mari's discussion of how Valerie's note affected V's time in the facility. Especially Sam's idea about how it was more something to believe in

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  61. Sam thinks that V brainwashed Evey because he gave her an enemy, a cause, and he took everything else away.

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  62. Sam speaks of how even though V tortured her, Evey still views him as the good guy

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  63. Rudy switches the topic to V's motive in his torture of Evey

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  64. Rudy talks about V recreating his experiences with Evey's torture and what he was trying to do with that

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  65. The group discusses V and why he does what he does and why.

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  66. I like how Rudy approaches the topic of ridding Evey of her fears

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  67. Emilie mentions how the singular poster makes her think it was the prison

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  68. Emilie thinks it's interesting that Evey saw only one propaganda poster and that made her believe she really was in prison.

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  69. Annie brings up a point of the rabbit magic trick paralleling Evey's imprisionment

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  70. Annie thinks that Evey's torture is a parallel to the magic trick that V did at the beginning of the book with the rabbit.

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  71. Annie introduces the idea of the parallel between Evey and the rabbit in the magic trick

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  72. Hannah asks the group what they would like to speak about

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  73. Rudy mentions the evolution of Eve's charcter

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  74. Katherine talks about how she likes that Evey does not kill as the new V.

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  75. The circle starts of by discussing Evey as the new V, and describing the differences between Evey and V.

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  76. Katherine makes a good point of creator vs destroyer. Why did she bring in the new boy then?

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  77. Rudy mentions the parallels with the book/ how the ending connects back to the beginning

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  78. Rudy talks about how almost everything connects back to something in a previous section.

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  79. Lif talks about how the end ties in all the concepts and messages from the story.

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  80. Lif mentions how the reader only fully understands the plot at the end of the novel

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  81. Katherine mentions how the new Evey V is the "creator," who will build the new world, while the old V was the "destroyer," who killed off the toxic reign and reduced the world to rubble.

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  82. Annie introduces the topic of Evey's and V's relationship

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  83. Hannah talks about how she finds it interesting that V trust Evey to become the new V. Annie wonders whether V could have entrust anyone with the job.

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  84. Hannah and Anna talk about V possibly searching for people. Rudy makes a good point about Fate.

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  85. Rudy counters the groups argument by mentioning V's access to Fate

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  86. Rudy speaks of the personification of Fate

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  87. Rudy talks about the personification of Fate. Will anyone also bring up the personification of Justice?

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  88. Rudy talks about how fate is just a system of cameras and videos, but it is seen as an all-knowing being.

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  89. Lif switches topic to technology

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  90. Lif changes the subject to Technology

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  91. Lif talks about the absence of technology among the general public in V for Vendetta

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  92. I haven't heard Thomasina, Ethan, or Taylor talk much

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  93. Katherine uses examples from BNW in order to depict her point

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  94. Katherine compares tech in V to tech in BNW. Rudy mentions the time frame.
    Not connected, when was this written?

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  95. Rudy makes the point that technology when the graphic novel was made was less advanced than present day.

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  96. Thomasina makes a good point about tech and the government.

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  97. In V, the society is more focused on order while in Brave New World the society is focused on happiness.

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  98. Thomasina compares the system of BNW to the system within V for Vendetta

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  99. Rudy: Is it better to have stability or freedom?

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  100. At this point they're talking about V through a bit of a BNW lens.

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  101. Ash starts them off with a specific topic

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  102. Ashlynne begins the conversation by bringing up V's control of Fate

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  103. Ash starts off with a large and broad topic

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  104. They're jumping around pretty quickly

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  105. Mari brings the topic away from that in favor of her own opinions

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  106. Mari likes how the audience still doesn't know who V is.

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  107. Sam respectfully disagrees and explains her own point

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  108. Samantha brings in her own opinion on the end

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  109. Sam and Mari give their opinions on the ending. Ben asks the group a question

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  110. The group seems to struggle with finding a specific topic to stick to.

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  111. Ben asks another clarifying question.

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  112. Sam thinks that the emphasis in the story is on the idea of anarchy rather than on the characters.

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  113. They discuss the role of the mean wife lady as she tried to become the controller through another man

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  114. The group discuss who Helen is and what her motives are.

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  115. Everyone has now spoken at least a little

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  116. Emilie brings up the symbolism of V's dominoes

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  117. Emilie connects images in the text to events in the text.

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  118. The group discusses Helen and her role in the story.

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  119. Mari butts into the conversation when ever she can

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  120. Emilie thinks it is interesting how V is setting up the dominos while the government is figuring out V has access to Fate.

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  121. The group discusses the ending and their personal opinions of it. They discuss what it can symbolize and mean.

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  122. Ben brings up the "for want of a nail" situation at the end of the book

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  123. They all discuss the metaphor of the dominoes and its connection to how all V did was spur the revolution

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  124. Mari brings up V's motivation for killing people in the beginning

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  125. Ben notes that when Eve asks V whether he is done and he says almost yes, he might have meant done setting up the dominos, or the plan, or his life.

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  126. They discuss V's motives for killing the people in the beginning

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  127. Noah brings up the point that he could have killed them to protect his identity

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  128. They discuss the overall conclusion and how the characters developed and their true character was shown.

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  129. The group is discussing why V killed the people who tortured him, if his grand scheme was to change the government.

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  130. Sam switches away from a heated topic

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  131. Sam changes the topic to how they feel about V's identity

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  132. Sam asks what the group thinks about the idea of V's anonimity.

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  133. Sam asks the group on their opinions on the fact that V was an anonymous figure.

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  134. The discuss the concept of V. How he was an idea and not a person.

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  135. They discuss how revealing V's face would have changed the character

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  136. I feel like they are changing topics a little too fast

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  137. The group discusses when they realized that Eve would take over for V.

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  138. They discuss why V let Finch kill him. Sam thinks it is because he has fate

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  139. Sam emphasizes the importance of fate

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