Socratic Circle: Brave New World



For today's second socratic circle we will be breaking into two groups: the first will be our "fishbowl," leading a group discussion about Aldous Huxley's Brave New World

After twenty minutes, we will switch roles, and group 2 will have their own discussion on an important article on these same readings, while group 1 live comments (see instructions below).

Instructions: 
Audience members: in the comments section of this post, make thoughtful observations about the conversation taking place in the "fishbowl."  Good observations will do the following:
  1. Identify when you agree/disagree with observations and specifically state why (ASRApt Specific Reference).  
  2. Observe what specific group members did that helped to 
    1. "propel" conversation forward, 
    2. respond to their group members, 
    3. and provide thoughtful observations.

Fishbowl members: students who do well in the "fishbowl" will do the following:

  1. Come to discussion prepared, having read and researched materials beforehand.
  2. Work with peers to promote a civil, democratic discussion, set clear goals, and establish individual roles. 
  3. Propel conversations forward by posing and asking questions that probe reasoning and ask for evidence. 
  4. Respond thoughtful to diverse perspectives, synthesize (combine) comments, claims, and evidence, resolve contradictions, and investigate meaning. 

Comments

  1. Ash starts the conversation immediately with a level one question

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  2. Brings up the point that the adults treat each other as "meat" which was said in the book

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  3. Ashlynne brings up that adults treat each other like meat.

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  4. Katherine keeps the conversation from dying by stating things she thinks are important from the book

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  5. Rudy talks about how during the time in the book their views on sex are normal.

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  6. Rudy points out that this chapter's views on sex are surprising to us only because our world's values on the subject are so different from theirs.

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  7. Katherine brings up her own interpretation of the chapter. In doing this, she ties many parts together and discusses the meanings of figurative language.

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  8. Thomasina brings up the society's motto in the book and how it correlates with what was happening in the chapter.

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  9. Thomasina brings up the motto of the society, stability, and bringing it into the discussion about letting out emotions. This allows her to discuss the society, Not just what we learned in this chapter

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  10. Katherine brings Sam into the discussion by mentioning a point she made earlier

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  11. Sam brings up level 3 thinking by comparing our own society to the one in the book.

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  12. Sam brings up the society's views on family, how they see it as a negative thing, and compares it to our society's views on family.

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  13. Rudy ties the issue of child sex into the world state's axioms of stability, community, and identity.

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  14. Leif uses an ASR to point out that the World State does not have a population problem.

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  15. Lif references the exact page in the book when answering Rudy's question.

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  16. They use context clues to figure out how the society controls the population

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  17. Rudy wonders how population is not an issue. Lif brings up a part of the chapter talking about how many people inhabit the earth.

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  18. Ash and Rudy connect the theme of maximum efficiency from chapters 1-2 to chapter 3.

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  19. Katherine brings up the point that to the citizens in this book, it doesn't feel to them like they are being so controlled and oppressed—the reader only sees it this way because they haven't been conditioned to love the book's world.

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  20. Katherine and Rudy have a calm debate where Katherine choses to use facts from the book and Rudy uses the ideas of how humans work

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  21. Sam again connects the previous chapter to this one

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  22. Sam discusses the goal of the society, which she says is to keep everyone both happy and productive.

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  23. Sam talks about her view on the purpose of the society in the book. She believes that the society's priority is to have everyone be happy.

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  24. Sam uses examples from the books to show how the society is looking to make people happy, but dependent on the society

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  25. Rudy propels the conversation in the direction of the economy in Brave New World.

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  26. Ash talks about the problem of how their humanity and choices are taken away by the society

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  27. Hannah starts off by talking about the societal differences in the book

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  28. Mari believes sex is considered casual so that the emotional responsibility and complications are taken out of it.

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  29. The group begins by talking about the views on society and sex in the book.

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  30. Mari builds off of Annie's comment, keeping the flow of the conversation

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  31. Annie brings up Lenina's relationship with Henry and Mari adds on about Bernard Marx.

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  32. Ethan includes information about the time in which the book was written to give context about his opinion

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  33. Noah and Ethan make a connection with the USSR.

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  34. Annie notices that Lenina might be important later in the book to try to have a conversation about that.

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  35. Sex is for amusement.
    Lots of communist names. Noah makes a prediction. That would be really cool.

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  36. Noah notices that Lenina sounds like Lenin. He makes a prediction that Lenina might start a revolution. Ethan connects, by saying that Marx is another important name.

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  37. Quick pace of the second half made Annie want to read it faster

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  38. The group keeps a good flow of casual conversation through building off of each other's comments.

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  39. The structure makes sense and would be near in a movie.

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    1. I agree with it because it made an interesting pacing

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  40. Ben points out how the structure shows the differences between characters

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  41. Hannah comments on how difficult it was to figure out who was talking in the sections of the book where it jumps to different people.

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  42. Ben clarifies a point which allows the other group members tell him what they think about it

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  43. Mari connects the controller to the Giver which helps explain her view

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  44. Mari makes a connection to another book, "The Giver," and then contrasts the differences between them.

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  45. The group develops the conversation by voicing their opinions clearly

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  46. The controller reminds Mari of the Giver because they are the only ones allowed to know about the past in their worlds

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  47. Mari makes a connection to the Giver

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  48. Ben asks the group a question about what they thought about the Controller showing up on the playground.

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  49. Hannah refers back to a topic when the conversation becomes side tracked

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  50. Ben questions the book, which also lets his group members to state their opinions

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  51. Everyone besides controller is treated like meat

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  52. Ben goes back to the question whether it is better to be happy or to be free.

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  53. Ben asks a really good question about what the world controllers do all day. Hannah mentions that everyone else is treated like dirt. And makes a good point about humanity. Annie makes another connection to the Giver.

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  54. Annie brings in a book that some people have also read to bring up conversation

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  55. Mari and Annie connect this book to "The Giver," helping to explain their opinions.

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  56. Noah comments that if the Controllers are being bred to be Controllers, then they are just following their conditioning.

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  57. Noah poses the idea that the controllers are not actually in complete control

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  58. The group establishes connections to previous works that they have read, making it easier to analyze and connect to the book

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  59. Mari asks Taylor what she believes the Controllers' job is.

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  60. Are the controllers just a cog in the machine? I think so. This society has been going on for so long that if they were born and bred for it they would probably just keep doing things.

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  61. Ben asks Taylor about Bernard in order
    to incorporate her opinions into the conversation

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  62. Mari brings Taylor to the conversation with a question, then Ben follows up with another when Taylor's opinions were already said

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  63. Bernard may be the only one who really understands the mental conditioning, as he has a knowledge of psychology?

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  64. Mari and Ben ask Taylor about her opinion to help propel the conversation and bring her into it.

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  65. Taylor notes that Bernard seems to understand basic psychology so he can think for himself. Much of the group predicts that Lenina and Bernard are going to start a rebellion.

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  66. Hannah asks Ethan his opinion in order to bring him into the circle

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  67. Lenina and Bernard may revolt against the society?

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  68. Ben asks what the group thinks of the cover illustration.

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  69. Someone brought up Bernard. Mari makes a really good prediction about Fanny choosing society.

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  70. Ben asks another question to promote conversation

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  71. Hannah asks Ethan a question on his own opinion to bring him into the discussion.

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  72. They wrap up the conversation by attempting to draw conclusions as how the book will develop and how the story will unfold

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  73. Ben asks a question to bring more conversation.

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  74. Annie says the figures look like mannequins, which can be put into any shape.

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