Socratic Circle: Frankenstein, Chapters 9-11
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Secondly, one of the things that struck me about Victor's feelings of guilt and despair appears on page 63, where he writes, "I, not in deed, but in effect, was the true murderer." It reminded me of this meme, here.
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I like how James initially starts off discussing Romanticism through Frankenstein’s depiction of nature. He also says that’s how he heals as a person.
ReplyDeleteJames immediately starts the conversation by stating a quote and talking about it.
ReplyDeleteJames connected back to the theme and motif of the book. Nice move.
ReplyDeleteI liked how James instantly brought up the romantic aspects of these chapters
ReplyDeleteJordan then expands on what James says and it helps the conversation to move along fluidly
ReplyDeleteConnection to Romanticism: Healing through Nature
ReplyDeleteNot a Romantic hero = issues
It is interesting to see different viewpoints on how Victor is either romantic or not romantic based off his connection with family and nature.
ReplyDeleteIs it a coincidence that the monster and Victor meet?
ReplyDeleteThe conversation about the similarities between the monster and Frankenstein is sufficiently diverse.
ReplyDeleteI don’t think Jordan’s point on how the monster found Victor is correct. I’m not sure how the monster could have predicted that Victor would go to that place.
ReplyDeleteJames begins the conversation with insight about how Frankenstein is connected with nature and is therefore romantic. James says he did it to escape ftom society. Jordan comments, saying that that is because Frankenstein feels guilt. James further adds to it with a comment on how Frankenstein is compared to the monster, and therefore feels responsible for all the suffering it's caused. They talk about how F met his monster on the mountain he escaped to. James takes this and loops it back to his similarities argument.
ReplyDeleteThey mentioned an interesting point which is Frankenstein is miserable, because it tries to fit in the human society but people do not accept it.
ReplyDeleteJuxtaposition of the monster's learning and Frankenstein's, and their social interactions.
ReplyDeleteWhen the discussion stops, there is always someone who stands out to start another topic. I think this is a very good thing.
ReplyDeleteJordan attempts to get Madi into the conversation, and James propels the conversation forwards.
ReplyDeleteJames corrects the course of the conversation. A new discussion of the monster's abilities begins. In my opinion, the monster has reletively advanced abilities, hence his speech and rapid ability to learn, something the conversation touches on.
ReplyDeleteJordan makes a new conversation about the differences in how F and his monster learned. The consensus is that the monster is intelligent but is so new that he does not have that degree of knowledge yet.
There have been very few gaps, and those gaps were very short. The conversation flowed nicely.
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ReplyDeleteI liked how Grace immediately started the conversation when Dr. B said 'go'
ReplyDeleteRyan does a good job showing how he agrees with what Morgan says
ReplyDeleteA lot of really strong points were made right off the bat
ReplyDeleteI find it interesting how the discussion turns into one of discrimination against the monster's appearance. Another interesting aspect of this discussion is the extent to which everyone got involved in the conversation about it.
ReplyDeleteGrace bringing up quotes from the novel effectively demonstrates the discrimination against the monster.
ReplyDeleteGood transition from topic to topic
ReplyDeleteandy says victor hates his monster originally but then, finds peace in nature, and comes to terms with the monster.
ReplyDeleteAndy had a really good point, and it started a big conversation with his group members
ReplyDeleteRyan makes Good connection to previous themes and ideas
ReplyDeleteBrooke notes that listening to the monster may bring closure for the death of the monster. Ryan ties it back to the theme of the thirst of knowledge
ReplyDeleteEveryone is contributing to the discussion.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with Ryan's point about the motif of discovery, because if you classify every development, such as the one he referenced, as under the motif of 'discovery,' then practically every novel has the motif of discovery which is certainly not the case.
ReplyDeleteEverybody has talked, and they're only a couple of minutes in
ReplyDeletePeople are offering up their own ideas very effectively
ReplyDeleteGrace notes that victor considers suicide but he wants to be strong for the family. Sadie then says how he thinks that Elizabeth cant function without him, he is the man of the house
ReplyDeleteGrace and Sadie bring up good quotes from the novel to support the argument.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Andy's point about how the monster is innocent and miserable, because no matter the horrible things he has done, he doesn't have the mental capacity to say that murder is wrong
ReplyDeletepeople did a good job citing page numbers when needed to make argument stronger
ReplyDeleteIdentify motifs that are coming through as we progress
ReplyDeleteResentment seemed to be a motif in the second circle
ReplyDeleteChristian uses a good analysis of literary elements and supports his point
ReplyDeleteThe group is doing well at letting everyone contribute.
ReplyDeleteI find Christian's point very interesting about the romantic contrast between Frankenstein and his monster. I would have appreciated the word 'foil' being brought into the discussion, even if that isn't necessarily the right word to use for their relationship.
ReplyDeleteMorgan has a really good point about the unhealthy relationship between Victor and his creation
ReplyDeletemorgan cites a very good quote that sums up the mosnters motives .
ReplyDeleteGrace did a good job of turning the conversation around when she noticed that it was kind of repeating itself
ReplyDeleteThere were absolutely no gaps whatsoever
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