Watchmen, Chapter 6: Socratic Circle
Instructions:
Audience members: in the comments section of this post, make thoughtful observations about the conversation taking place in the "fishbowl." Good observations will do the following:
- Identify when you agree/disagree with observations and specifically state why (ASR: Apt Specific Reference).
- Observe what specific group members did that helped to
- "propel" conversation forward,
- respond to their group members,
- and provide thoughtful observations.
Fishbowl members: students who do well in the "fishbowl" will do the following:
- Come to discussion prepared, having read and researched materials beforehand.
- Work with peers to promote a civil, democratic discussion, set clear goals, and establish individual roles.
- Propel conversations forward by posing and asking questions that probe reasoning and ask for evidence.
- Respond thoughtful to diverse perspectives, synthesize (combine) comments, claims, and evidence, resolve contradictions, and investigate meaning.
Hannah begins the conversation with a question
ReplyDeleteKatherine gives a topic to start off
ReplyDeleteHannah begins by asking what the first topic of discussion should be.
ReplyDeleteHannah starts by asking where the group wants to start within the chapter.
ReplyDeleteKatherine suggests a starting point, with Rorschach’s backstory. Katherine remarks that there is no love for her son, and that she didn’t even want him to exist in the first place.
ReplyDeleteMari builds off of Katherine's expla
ReplyDeleteKatherine talks about the specific details of Rorschach's past.
ReplyDeleteKatherine mentions there was no love in the relationship.
ReplyDeleteMari talks about how this tragic backstory affects how he reacts to people making fun of/belittling him.
ReplyDeleteAnnie and Mari bring up the police reports
ReplyDeleteAnnie brings in an interesting point
ReplyDeleteHannah remarks that he is hardened to violence, and he gets information through torture and murder.
ReplyDeleteKatherine starts by giving a brief summary of the beginning of the chapter, giving others the chance to jump in and voice their opinions.
ReplyDeleteNoah mentions that he has many enemies, but that they ignore that he could’ve possibly been framed.
ReplyDeleteThere's talk about why the framing is uninvestigated.
ReplyDeleteThe group discusses the police and their assumption that Rorschach killed Moloch, and why they assume that
ReplyDeleteThe group talks about what caused Rorschach to be the way he is.
ReplyDeleteNoah brings in an interesting perspective
ReplyDeleteThe group discusses the police and their assumption that Rorschach killed Moloch, and why they assume that
ReplyDeleteKilling the dogs.
ReplyDeleteMari brings up that not being able to save the girl was probably the trigger
Mari changes the topic
ReplyDeleteMari mentions that the relationship between the doctor and Rorschach is interesting, because it’s the most important case of his career, and he’s the only one who has truly talked to Rorschach in person. Later, he also wants to help Rorschach.
ReplyDeleteAnnie brings up the quote at the end of the chapter
ReplyDeleteAnnie changed the topics with a nice transition
ReplyDeleteMari and Annie build off of each other.
ReplyDeleteEmilie changes the topic so she can speak
ReplyDeleteEmilie talks about how they brought in real life crime cases into the book and how it explained the creation of Rorschach’s mask!
ReplyDeleteEmilie is brought into the conversation. She mentions the tying in of Katie which is cool.
ReplyDeleteAnnie brings in a good point
ReplyDeleteEmilie is able to add to the discussion by changing the topic.
ReplyDeleteThere's a pause and Annie jumps in. Mari brings in how the psychoanalyst
ReplyDeleteCatherine begins with an open topic (lack of love)
ReplyDeleteMari switches to another topic, gives opinion, listens to others, then replies
The conversation circles around one main topic
Catherine asks Emilie a question to bring her voice into the conversation
Hannah built on Annie's original comment
ReplyDeleteThe group moves on to establish what they have perceived and have developed opinions on the interactions between Rorschach and the doctor.
ReplyDeleteHannah brings up the split. Why is the split such a big thing?
ReplyDeleteHannah refers to Rorschach as "Rorschachy"
ReplyDeleteHannah talks about his two halves, Rorschach and Walter. They are two very distinct personalities that behave very differently, but Walter became Rorschach through his childhood experiences.
ReplyDeleteMari asked Ethan a question to promote conversation
ReplyDeleteMari attempts to bring Ethan into the discussion and Katherine helps.
ReplyDeleteKatherine brings up that the doctor is starting to write like Rorschach
ReplyDeleteKatherine brings the conversation back to the original point
ReplyDeleteOne of the group members invites another into the conversation by asking them a question.
ReplyDeleteKatherine brings up the dinner party.
ReplyDeleteThe group has a few pauses in between topics.
ReplyDeleteMari brings another point to the conversation
ReplyDeleteMari specifically asked Ethan a question to involve more people in the conversation.
ReplyDeleteMari changes the topic to Rorschach's admiration of the Comedian
ReplyDeleteNoah brings in another point that change the perspective
ReplyDeleteMari dismisses Noah's point but Noah rebuts
ReplyDeleteThe conversation changes again
ReplyDeleteMari talks about the parallels between the remarks towards Rorschach as a child and in prison
ReplyDeleteMari talks about the visual style of the novel in portraying noise when Rorschach walks through the cell block.
ReplyDeleteMost topics keep getting touched on
ReplyDeleteThe group discusses how Walter changed into Rorschach over time
ReplyDeleteChange between child and adult things.
ReplyDeleteMari brings a weird point
ReplyDeleteMari brings up the fact that Rorschach was given the Rorschach test
ReplyDeleteMari brings up the doing of the Rorschach test.
ReplyDeleteMari talks about the foolishness of the psychoanalyst in thinking that he was curing Rorschach from the start.
ReplyDeleteMari discusses how they gave the Rorschach tests to Rorschach.
ReplyDeleteAnnie brings up the color usage in the chapter.
Flashbacks tinted red, now is desaturated. It sets the mood. Annie, Hannah, Mari, and Katherine discuss is.
ReplyDeleteThe group discusses how the color in the images ties into the story.
ReplyDeleteKatherine brings a strengthening point
ReplyDeleteMari wonders if Malcolm is now scared of Rorschach.
ReplyDeleteAnnie brings up the difference in saturation between images of memories and images of the present
ReplyDeleteEmilie breaks the silence that the group fell into by bringing up Rorschach's distaste for feminine things
ReplyDeleteEmilie jumps into the conversation during a pause.
ReplyDeleteHannah brings up coping and how his view of his dad is one of his ways of coping
ReplyDeleteEmilie brings in another point she wants to talk about
ReplyDeleteEmilie brings up how he dislikes femininity.
ReplyDeleteJay starts off with the case that made Walter Rorschach and how he felt connected to the case
ReplyDeleteJay starts with how interesting it is that Rorschach tried to rescue the little girl and it was personal because the girl was abused.
ReplyDeleteThey discuss how you have to think about the dog scene
ReplyDeleteLeif likes how the reader has to figure out that the dogs are eating a human bone, it doesn't just come out and say it.
ReplyDeleteJay and Sam discuss the roots of Rorschach’s morals
ReplyDeleteJay thinks that a lot of what motivates Rorschach is not wanting kids to have the same childhood as himself.
ReplyDeleteSo far Jay has kind of been dominating the conversation
ReplyDeleteJay believes Rorschach is motivated to make sure children do not go through what he went through as a child. Rudy brings up how Rorschach's purpose is different than most superheroes.
ReplyDeleteAsh thinks that maybe all the children Rorschach tried to save really symbolize him trying to save himself.
ReplyDeleteSam believes that Rorschach may save people more out of compulsion than anything.
ReplyDeleteThomasina makes her voice heard.
ReplyDeleteThey are kind of jumping back and forth between a few topics
ReplyDeleteRudy calls back to an idea from earlier in the circle to expand upon it.
ReplyDeleteBen talks about how Rorschach's anger builds up until he becomes violent. Thomasina talks about a specific quote in the book about the reasoning of Rorschach becoming a vigilante.
ReplyDeleteRudy points out the color connections
ReplyDeleteRudy notices how the rorschach card starts as an off white color, but then slowly gets darker so that it becomes red. Rudy notices the connection between the colors and the angry transformation of Kovacs to Rorschach.
ReplyDeleteJay brings back the timeline divergence thing
ReplyDeleteJay switches to a different topic about how the reality within the book and real life history.
ReplyDeleteJay makes predictions about the future of the world based on what is happening in the book.
ReplyDeleteLif defends his point.
ReplyDeleteJay thinks the book is going to end with total nuclear destruction
ReplyDeleteRudy and Jay talk about their predictions for the end of the book.
ReplyDeleteRudy predicts that the world probably won't end and Dr. Manhattan will come back.
ReplyDeleteRudy builds on Jays point.
ReplyDeleteLif brings up a fresh topic that hasn't been discussed yet.
ReplyDeleteLeif goes back to Ozymandius from the last chapter and how he thinks he’s working with the Russians
ReplyDeleteSam compliments and builds on Lif's theory.
ReplyDeleteLif decides to discuss Ozymandias from the last chapter. He speculates that Ozymandias is behind the killings of the retired superheroes.
ReplyDeleteLeif shifts the conversation to the attempted assasination of Ozymandias, and how he could be working with the Soviets.
ReplyDeleteRudy gives his own theory based on Lif's.
ReplyDeleteSam agrees with Leif's theory that Ozymandias might be the mastermind. Sam asks the group what they think the ending will be like.
ReplyDeleteSam poses a question to the entire group.
ReplyDeleteAsh pushes Taylor to join the conversation
ReplyDeleteTaylor thinks the ending depends on Dr. Manhattan's choices.
ReplyDeleteAsh thinks that all the superheroes will have a huge fight. Thomasina agrees because it would fit in with the idea of parodying the superhero genre.
Sam shifts the conversation to the murder of Kitty.
ReplyDeleteSam speaks about a topic only very briefly touched upon in the last circle.
ReplyDeleteRudy notices how the heroes are the negative ones.
ReplyDeleteSam changes the subject to discuss more of the psychological stuff
ReplyDeleteAs far as I know Thomasina has yet to talk
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